Curse

-.- · Nov 25, 2006, 07:51 PM // 19:51

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Originally Posted by Slainster

So what does that mean?

They drop faster?

10 Points for ever 9 Points.

By the way,

Woot!

Slainster · Nov 25, 2006, 07:56 PM // 19:56

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Originally Posted by -.-

10 Points for ever 9 Points.

By the way,

Woot!

Gratz!

SumXone · Nov 25, 2006, 07:57 PM // 19:57

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Originally Posted by Cyan The Archer

It does. Scythes will hit up to 3 targets i have heard, and Rotting Flesh 'hits' all the scythes.

so whats the point in having more torments, if they do not die?
the scythe attack will hit all foes over time, too, resulting in -4 degen on all torments.
also, disease allows it for the farmer to kill the spears at a distance, making it MUCH more easy to set up an keeping it save. the spears stand all on one spot at throwing distance, lowering the risk of an aggro shift. thus allowing for better placement thus resulting in more possible groups, as you do not have to have an edge between you and the monk.

mwpeck · Nov 25, 2006, 08:10 PM // 20:10

Ok, I just did a small-scale test. Well of Suffering is a bad skill to bring. in exactly 20 minutes, using well of suffering, I got 276 points. In the same amount of time without well of suffering I got exactly 300 points.

So, Apply Poison + Suffering + Well of suffering gives ~828/h.
Apply Poison + Suffering gives ~900/h.

Also gonna do a test using Well of suffering but NOT using Suffering, and see if that 1 degen can give a few more points, while killing them at a slow enough speed to make the whole process go fast(er).

EDIT: Awesome, in 20 minutes, without suffering, but with well of suffering, I got 328 points.

So, Apply Poison + Well of Suffering gives ~984/h.

I know its not much of an increase, but it is an increase non-the-less. So for optimial farming(of the spears at least) use Apply Poison + Well of suffering(high enough to give 3 degen). I will test this later tonight with some form of disease(possibly Tainted Flesh just cause I have it available), and see if the total 8 degen can even further the points/hour since I know it decreases at 9 degen, but increases from 6, to 7 degen.

EDIT: nevermind, gonna need to try it w/ rotting flesh, forgot Tainted only works if hit in melee, and spears != melee :P

Anyway, as said, I'll test this later tonight, got some stuff to do.

Cyan The Archer · Nov 25, 2006, 08:33 PM // 20:33

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Originally Posted by SumXone

so whats the point in having more torments, if they do not die?
the scythe attack will hit all foes over time, too, resulting in -4 degen on all torments.
also, disease allows it for the farmer to kill the spears at a distance, making it MUCH more easy to set up an keeping it save. the spears stand all on one spot at throwing distance, lowering the risk of an aggro shift. thus allowing for better placement thus resulting in more possible groups, as you do not have to have an edge between you and the monk.

Who told you the rest of the torments didnt die? Disease will give them all +4degen immediately, while Apply Poison will take a few Scythe hits.

YornStar · Nov 25, 2006, 08:49 PM // 20:49

ok, how the hell do you mantain energy on the monk?

AlienFromBeyond · Nov 25, 2006, 08:56 PM // 20:56

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Originally Posted by mwpeck

I know its not much of an increase, but it is an increase non-the-less. So for optimial farming(of the spears at least) use Apply Poison + Well of suffering(high enough to give 3 degen). I will test this later tonight with some form of disease(possibly Tainted Flesh just cause I have it available), and see if the total 8 degen can even further the points/hour since I know it decreases at 9 degen, but increases from 6, to 7 degen.

EDIT: nevermind, gonna need to try it w/ rotting flesh, forgot Tainted only works if hit in melee, and spears != melee :P

Anyway, as said, I'll test this later tonight, got some stuff to do.

If that's true, why not use Well of Silence with Curses high enough to get -3 degen? Mine's already up there on the R/Ns because of Enfeebling Blood, so it should be no problem. Rotting Flesh looks like a good idea as well.

mwpeck · Nov 25, 2006, 08:59 PM // 20:59

Its easy. My monk has 11 enchantments on her. All the bonds, then Balthazar's Spirit on herself, and Essence Bond on both the rangers, That equates to 2 energy for each thing hitting the rangers, with a possible 7 things hitting each ranger. My monk has a total of 10 degen, and with 56 max energy, I have never seen her go below 50 with this setup. And thats only when she casts something, if she's not casting it never goes below 5 energy. She even has enough energy to maintain balths spirit on both the rangers, which is why it maxes out her energy degen.

My being a warrior, I bring mending with +3 regen, so when the monk uses shield of absorbtion, my mending cancels out the bleeding and their health doesnt move until the shield wears off.

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Originally Posted by AlienFromBeyond

If that's true, why not use Well of Silence with Curses high enough to get -3 degen? Mine's already up there on the R/Ns because of Enfeebling Blood, so it should be no problem. Rotting Flesh looks like a good idea as well.

Good point, It might work, they wouldnt be able to heal, and since when they use Call to the Torment, they cant really heal much anyway, that might make it go quicker. I'll test that later too. Maybe(if you can) you can test it in place of well of suffering. Just do like I did, a 20 min test to see how many points you get in that amount of time since they wont be able to use shouts/chants, you should kill them a little faster cause they wont have any form of healing, and they might even do less damage.(while still taking long enough to kill so they can keep a good number of themselves up)

EDIT: Just checked their skills, it would make them die a little faster and do less damage. They wouldnt have Ballad of Restoration, which heals them for somewhere around 80 health the next time the ranger hits them, and they wouldnt have Anthem of Fury, so it would take them longer to build adren, therefore they wouldnt be able to use Wild Throw and Barbed Spear as often.

Cyan The Archer · Nov 25, 2006, 09:08 PM // 21:08

YES! Finally

mwpeck · Nov 25, 2006, 09:20 PM // 21:20

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Originally Posted by Cyan The Archer

YES! Finally

Gratz.....I just reach r6(about 2 minutes ago). Hope to be r7 by tonight, and r8 sometime tomorrow(or the day after, depending on how long it takes).

YornStar · Nov 25, 2006, 09:48 PM // 21:48

thanks a lot mwpeck, i thought i had to bring blood ritual or something, lol

Lex · Nov 25, 2006, 10:01 PM // 22:01

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Originally Posted by -.-

... but ....

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Like the Sunspear Title Track, there are nine ranks in the Lightbringer Title Track

source: http://www.guildwars.com/gameplay/gw...itletracks.php

so.. I dont get it...

what the ... ????

Isaac Lunoa · Nov 25, 2006, 10:15 PM // 22:15

That also says there are 4 LB skills, and there are only 2...

guildwars.com = lose.

TechnoSword · Nov 25, 2006, 11:21 PM // 23:21

hmm my warrior reached rank 8 about 3 days ago and now my paragon is going, my friend and I are doubling together and so far my paragon is at r7 way faster then my warrior since i managed to get it right. anyways, maybe its not a mistake? maybe they really do have another rank which i was thinking about leaving my paragon on ever after rank 8 so he can get a little extra after wards incase there is a rank 9 and he has a headstart.

BlackRecluse · Nov 25, 2006, 11:22 PM // 23:22

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Originally Posted by Lady Phaeton

Just thought I'd share some screens of my setup with the builds mentioned in this thread. I have 2 groups of Spears going and I took screens of the setup from 2 different angles. I hope this helps anyone else out there that is confused or having difficulty setting up 2 groups.

Make sure you click on the link that says view original size so you can see the full res of it.

- Lady Phaeton

too bad you couldnt do that last night :P

ekamdu · Nov 26, 2006, 01:06 AM // 01:06

YAY!!!!!! YAY ME!!

after 4 WHOLE (well, i also slept) days trying i finally got 2 groups!!! im not gonna move till i get my title max

screenshot:

Wolydarg · Nov 26, 2006, 01:23 AM // 01:23

My internet likes to disconnect me when I'm busy so I can't reset the groups. It needs to be disciplined.

Anyways, thanks to Juicey and everyone else who contributed to this thread.
15k LB away =]

AlienFromBeyond · Nov 26, 2006, 02:26 AM // 02:26

Well, I just hit 25k points, and r7. Now to get the other 25k points.

mwpeck · Nov 26, 2006, 03:04 AM // 03:04

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Originally Posted by AlienFromBeyond

Well, I just hit 25k points, and r7. Now to get the other 25k points.

Nice. I'm at 20k, testing Well of Silence, then Rotting Flesh + Well of Silence. Started yesterday at 500 points, So I figure I will finish this tomorrow night, maybe have to finish it while i'm sleeping tomorrow.

Anyway, first test just finished, using Well of Silence in place of Well of Suffering gave me 344 points in 20 minutes, which equates to 1032/h.

So, with 2 groups of spears going here's the results:

Apply Poison + Well of Silence = 1032/h (~50/h more than using well of suffering)

Now, to do a 20 min test with Rotting Flesh + well of silence.

Ok, Rotting Flesh + Well of Silence gave me 336 in 20 minutes.

Rotting Flesh + Well of Silence = 1,008/h.

The winning combination is obviously Apply Poison + Well of Silence(at least for the skills i've tried, if anyone else has any skills they wanna sugguest, If i think it will come close to these, I will test them when I get time).

unknown1 · Nov 26, 2006, 08:36 AM // 08:36

toxicity?